Curse

Ninian_Grace · Dec 12, 2007, 03:33 PM // 15:33

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

If Arenanet wants you to click inventory spots 250 times each in intravals of 1-3 minutes for a title while standing somewhere, then you better not take any risks by upsetting them.

HAHA! Lol'd at this.

anyways, I don't see why they would ban for that...I have an option with my razorback mouse I can make my mouse activate the left click every X seconds, minutes, hours...

Ban me for a mod I can input on my mouse? I don't think so.
my mouse assistant, a 3rd party program? ROFL! I don't think so...

thank you Anet! you can sleep tight tonight.

Ms Utena Tenjou · Dec 12, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

after 2 years of playing i've only accumliates 333 min's drunk.. why cause tis boring... i'd rather grind to a better title then to stadn around drunk.... its all about getting those ttiels in gw2 b-4 bw 1 shuts down in 4 years or so.. (maybe)

Day Trooper · Dec 12, 2007, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by Silly Warrior

If you've already got the alchy, and you simply don't want to press the buttons

But see - isn't this exactly what a bot does? I mean, with this approach you can go to sleep while the macro-bot is keeping your char drunk! Thus, this approach violates the EULA.

Having clicked every single drink myself to max this title - I can say unequivocally the above could make the title much, much easier to achieve. Yes, you still have to acquire all the booze - but there's still the little matter of being drunk for 10,000 minutes! You can't tell me a mouse-macro, which you can run while asleep - wouldn't greatly aid you in maxing this title (versus you clicking drinks every 3 minutes!)

But alas, I really don't see how ANet would catch folks using these mouse-macros (or if they'd really care; since it's not actually connected to their game).

However, it would be nice to get official ANet word on this. I mean, if they don't have a problem with mouse-macros, then other aspiring drunkards should know this (and save them all the trouble I and others went through)...

the_last_m_p · Dec 13, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

I asked a similar question before from support and here is the answer verbatim:

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Hello,

Thank you for contacting the Guild Wars Support Team.

You asked if your new programmable keyboard was acceptable to use for playing Guild Wars. "What if...?" questions such as this are always tough to answer, because they have not happened yet. Nevertheless, I'll try to give you an understanding of what we might consider "right" and "wrong" when interacting with our service as it related to your new keyboard.

Using your programmable keyboard as a normal keyboard would certainly be fine. A keyboard is a basic tool that is virtually required to operate a computer and use our service. Each time you press a key, one character is typed or one action is made to happen and, in general, that is acceptable.

If you were somehow able to use your programmable keyboard to fully automate your gameplay experience, especially to the point where you did not have to attend your computer while your keyboard software "played" the game for you, then that would be considered against our User Agreement and subject to disciplinary action. ("You agree not to use any hardware or software, including but not limited to third party tools, or any other method of support which may in any way influence or advantage your use of the Service which is not authorized by NC Interactive, including but not limited to the use of ‘bots’ and/or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.")

Somewhere in between those two scenarios is a grey area. We can't make any "final judgments" on any grey area actions that have not yet occurred, and we will not speculate on all possible grey area scenarios and their outcomes. In general, please make sure that you are at your computer and playing your game. Ultimately, it is of utmost important to us that each character being played in Guild Wars is being operated by an actual person.

We know this doesn’t provide a definitive rule that covered all possible scenarios, but still hope this helps your understanding of "helping one play" versus "playing for you" and what we would consider acceptable.

Regards,

The Guild Wars Support Team

Make what you want of it. But my take on it is - if you do it and don't walk around screaming "I pwned ANET! I r0x0r!" or anything equally silly, you'd be ok. After all, there's precious little difference between using a VB/C# proggy to beep for you every 3 minutes and then manually clicking 3 ales or using the programmable keyboard/mouse to do the exact same thing. Just make sure you are actually AT the computer at the time. The moment you go AFK you are no longer in the "grey", you are now firmly in the "Bad bad, player! BAN" area. So play GW windowed, make the window smaller and move it so you see the screen, grab a book and I think you'd be ok. Mind you, this is just my take on it.

AutoHotKey script, on the other hand, is getting dangerously into the badlands. I know the script is rudimentary, but you no longer have an excuse of programmable hardware being too good for its own good. You now deliberately used a 3rd party application to gain an advantage in the game.

Witchblade · Dec 13, 2007, 02:48 PM // 14:48

ok we have an answer for keyboards.. now.. the mouse pls ^^

Day Trooper · Dec 13, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by The Guild Wars Support Team

If you were somehow able to use your programmable keyboard to fully automate your gameplay experience, especially to the point where you did not have to attend your computer while your keyboard software "played" the game for you, then that would be considered against our User Agreement and subject to disciplinary action.

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Originally Posted by The Guild Wars Support Team

...or any other method by which the Service may be played automatically without human input.

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

ok we have an answer for keyboards.. now.. the mouse pls ^^

I think this pretty much answers all scenarios. If the computer is doing the work for you (i.e. bot or keyboard/mouse macro) - then (unfortunately) it's illegal

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Day Trooper · Dec 13, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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Originally Posted by the_last_m_p

After all, there's precious little difference between using a VB/C# proggy to beep for you every 3 minutes and then manually clicking 3 ales or using the programmable keyboard/mouse to do the exact same thing. Just make sure you are actually AT the computer at the time.

The one problem I see with this approach (even if you're at the computer) is if ANet ever kept track of the interval in which the drinks were being clicked - they could say 'hey, this guy is clicking drinks at exactly 180 seconds!' There's no way a human player could click drinks at the exact same time over 5 hours! So must be a BOT! Ban his/her arse!'

Just a thought

Witchblade · Dec 13, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

add random value ftw

Day Trooper · Dec 13, 2007, 04:09 PM // 16:09

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Originally Posted by Witchblade

add random value ftw

Lol! Random Val between 180-190 ftw

the_last_m_p · Dec 13, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

Anyone did any deathlevelling in presearing? If there ever was an unattended gameplay, that is it. And it is actively encouraged by ANet by creating LDoA title. As for random values - true, the simplest thing to do. And for those who really want to get it working, PostMessage API can send data to GW window even when it is minimised, since GW isn't relying on DirectInput.

But at the end of the day - what's the point. All these random values, human emulation. One look at a person drinking continuously for several hours and you can be pretty much certain it is either a trained chimp pressing a button when the buzzer goes off, a person with FAR too much time on their hands (THIS is the unlikely scenario, not the previous one) or a program.

Using external software, be it AutoHotKey or something you wrote yourself is deliberately going against ANet's policies.

Now, programmable hardware, becoming increasinly common is simply a piece of standard equipment, which they will allow, doing what it was intended to do. Now, to make matters really hard to argue about the ideal situation would be to map the action in question (double click every 180 seconds) to a mouse button/keyboard key, without third party software, as in using just the hardware capabilities your mouse/keyboard was shipped with. Then you sit there, and hold the key. The game isn't playing without human interaction (hence key can't be latched/taped down), so you are doing your best to remain within EULA.

And it isn't that hard to keep a key pressed. Hell, rest your hand on the keyboard, while watching a movie/reading a book. As long as you are the one holding the key and not some automated process (be this a brick on the keyboard even) you are "kind of" doing your best to stick to the ANet regulations.

Just my point of view.

Day Trooper · Dec 13, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by the_last_m_p

Anyone did any deathlevelling in presearing? If there ever was an unattended gameplay, that is it. And it is actively encouraged by ANet...

And, of course, other 'AFK Titles' are the Lucky/Unlucky titles - since you can play games-of-chance like 9 Rings during the Boardwalk events and theoretically be AFK the entire time while standing in a ring...

The Meth · Dec 13, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

I made a mini-macro that just sold about 3000 worthless rare materials for me once (one at a time). imho as long as you aren't hurting the game you aren't going to to be hunted down. I would recommend against using anything downloaded because of the risk of losing your account to a keylogger. Just looking through all the outposts that still have real bots farming, I think anet has better targets to go after then someone who double clicks some ale every minute.

the_last_m_p · Dec 13, 2007, 05:09 PM // 17:09

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Originally Posted by The Meth

I made a mini-macro that just sold about 3000 worthless rare materials for me once (one at a time).

I really hate you. 'Cause I will have to write a program that does that now

Someone take VS2008 away from me! It is twisting my brain!